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With Cornerstone OnDemand’s recent IPO (NASDAQ: CSOD) and their high valuation based on a negative EBIDTA, many are starting to ask if we are headed for a second Internet or SaaS Bubble?

I do agree that some of the valuations at this point are a lot higher than a reasonable person would expect, but this is probably just pent up interest in the technology sector. It doesn’t help that Facebook and LinkedIn has seriously pumped up the valuations for Internet/Social Media firms, but today’s SaaS companies are very different from the Dot Bombs of 1999/2000.

Remember these companies?

Company

Business

Market Cap

(000’s)

Web Van

On-line Groceries

$1,200

Pets.com

On-line Pet Supplies

$ 325

VerticalNet

Marketing

$5,400

Kozmo.com

Delivery Services

Private

All of these companies were built on bad business models, too much money and expectations that were out of control. And by the way are all out of business.

But not all of the Internet companies that were formed during this period were bombs; in fact there are a number of firms that are now pillars of the technology industry including these firms:

Company

Founded

Business

Ticker

Market Cap

(000’s)

Amazon

1994

eCommerce

AMZN

$76,380

Ariba

1996

eProcurment

ARBA

$ 3,140

eBay

1995

eCommerce

EBAY

$39,370

j2 Global Comm.

1995

Communications

JCOM

$ 1,340

Priceline

1997

eCommerce

PCLN

$23,790

WebMD

1996

Health Content

WBMD

$ 3,150

It would be safe to say that each of these companies struggled during and after the Dot-Com collapse but they were able to modify their models to take advantage of the efficiencies that the Internet provided. Amazon has built a business that can effectively compete against the largest retailer in the world, Walmart, even though its sales are only 1/12th their revenues.

All of these Internet Survivors had to develop a real business model that would deliver solid margins, profits and growth. They each had to assemble experienced management teams, learn how to deliver superior customer service and build trusted brands. Not easy to do, but they did it.

Fast-forward to today and we have a whole new set of Internet and Software-as-a-Service companies that have emerged and gone public including these firms:

Company

Founded

Business

Ticker

Market Cap

(000’s)

Athena Health

1997

EMR

ATHN

$ 1,560

Blackboard

1997

Education

BBBB

$ 1,280

Concur

1993

Travel & Expense

CNQR

$ 2,960

Cornerstone OnDemand(1)

1999

Talent Mgmt

CSOD

$ 855

Constant Contact

1995

Marketing

CTCT

$ 1,000

Google

1998

Search, PaaS

GOOG

$187,000

Kenexa

1987

Talent Mgmt

KNXA

$ 622

NetSuite

1998

ERP

N

$ 1,880

RightNow

1997

CRM

RNOW

$ 1,030

Salesforce.com

1999

CRM, PaaS

CRM

$16,930

Servicesource (2)

1999

Service Mgmt

SREV

$ 774

SuccessFactors

2001

Talent Mgmt

SFSF

$ 2,990

Taleo

1996

Talent Mgmt

TLEO

$ 1,430

Ultimate Software

1990

Payroll

ULTI

$ 1,490

Vocus

1992

Marketing

VOCS

$ 478

(1) CSOD IPO: March 17, 2011
(2) SREV IPO: March 25, 2011

As you can see most of these companies were founded before the Internet Bubble burst and were forced to create real business models that could deliver profits.

At Montclair Advisors, we specialize in SaaS business advisory services and we know many of these firms quite well and they all have strong management teams, growing businesses and staying power. Unlike the Internet firms that went IPO in 1999 or 2000, most of these firms have had to build up their businesses over ten or more years and are based on some form of recurring revenues.

Major differences between the companies on this list versus the early Dot Bomb firms include:

  • Proven Over Time. As you can see most of these firms are at least ten years old and have weathered the economic changes through the last two recessions.

  • Businesses at Scale. Most of these companies are over $100M in annual revenues, which means they have been successful in selling into multiple markets and geographies.

  • Recurring Revenue Streams. Anyone who has been involved with a company that has developed a subscription business can tell you how hard it is to create a meaningful recurring revenue stream. The advantages of being a SaaS software company based on subscriptions means that revenues remain consistent so there is a high degree of transparency and visibility.

  • High Degree of Customer Satisfaction. All of these companies are dependent on satisfied customers that want to renew their annual subscription agreements and purchase more services. This is quite different than the ‘drive-by’ relationships many of the early Internet companies developed with their customers.

  • Strong Management Teams. After the Dot Com crash it became much harder to file for an IPO and manage a company in the post Sarbanes-Oxley world. These next generation of Internet companies have attracted leading management expertise that knows how to innovate and rapidly scale viable businesses.

So are the valuations of companies like Cornerstone OnDemand and Servicesource, Facebook and LinkedIn too high? Are we beginning to see a SaaS Bubble? Maybe, but all of these companies have been built for the long term and will be around long after any correction, unlike their early Internet cousins Web Van or Kozmo.com.


Company:            Lingotek

Started:                2005

Located:               Draper, Utah

Geography:          Global

Market:                Translation as a Service

Products:            Collaboration Translation Platform

Customers:         Adobe, Avaya, BYU, eBay, Novell, NuSkin and ZAGG

Website:              Lingotek

Blog:                   Lingotek Blog

Twitter:               @Lingotek


Recent News:

Lingotek Enables Companies to Go Global, Using Trusted, Reliable and Cost-Effective Translation Platform


Lingotek Wins International Stevie® Award for Best New Product of the Year


Lingotek Appoints Calvin Scharffs as Vice President of Marketing and Product Development


Lingotek to Deliver More Localized Community Translation for Adobe


I asked Rob Vandenberg, President and CEO a few questions about his business and view of the SaaS market in 2010.


Did you start out as a Software-as-a-Service company?

Yes, we started out as an online translation service. Currently our products are hosted on Amazon AWS but some of our customers, like the CIA, prefer their product to work on-premise. (That makes sense since the company was originally funded by In-Q-Tel, the venture arm of the CIA. By the way, the Q in the name is for “Q” from the James Bond movie fame.)

We worked through our business model over the past five years and finally got launched our platform about two years ago and were able to secure our first stage of funding from In-Q-Tel, as a way to put more translation control in the hands of the actual content owner.

Our web-based platform allows content owners to load up their content, which allows outside translators to actively participate in the process. This approach allows organizations to better manage a massive data stream of content that needs to be translated. Administrators can identify content that needs to be machine or human translated and then the translated content can be stored in memory for reuse or even train other services.

We have always thought that machine translation from software firms like Google and Microsoft offer good resources but only provide a very rough-cut type of translation. These services don’t produce translation results that are ready for publishing, that’s when you need more detailed post-editing that can only be done by a person. Machine translations are a good start but there is never a way to review and improve the translation, without involving people and that’s where Lingotek comes in.

Why do your customers buy from Lingotek?

Lingotek enables our customers to capture, grow, and re-use their linguistic assets, while achieving unprecedented control over the translation process.

We have deployments at some of the most innovative organizations in the United States, from Fortune 500 corporations, to government agencies, to small professional service firms. Some of our more recognizable customers are Cisco, Novell and Abobe.

Our software was designed to help content owners at larger organizations do translations more quickly and easily. The Church of Latter Day Saints has more than 14 million members who are doing family search and genealogy every year. These members to translate this content into virtually every available language use our translation software platform. The LDS members publish, tag content and domains, and then the community translates chunks of content.

Crowdsourcing is the answer to dis-intermediate traditional translation processes. Adobe has over 650 product user groups who are all generating and using content. The opportunity is to have all of these groups participate and focus on translation and creation of new content. What they have discovered is that their users are willing to translate and create content, which is what happened with their Russian Flex community. Lingotek really created our translation platform based on this work with Adobe.

The Lingotek software allows translators to act like freelancers who can do their work online inside of the platform, but also helps large organizations to overcome content language barriers. This approach is similar to other freelance work type of platforms such as eLance, Guru.com or oDesk. We also make is easy and affordable for these content owners at large organizations by using a software subscription pricing model.

Our software platform is very popular in China and India. We currently support 26 different languages, local dialects and regions.

What do you see as the key trend emerging in the SaaS industry?

Lingotek has formed a number of newer partnerships with firms like Jive Software and Microsoft (SharePoint), because they are large content containers that store a tremendous amount of user-generated content. This type of user-generated content is doubling every year but only about 2% of it is getting translated every year. This is a big opportunity for these types of firms and Lingotek can make it easier to get this content translated and deployed. Their users can nominate content to be translated and then the Lingotek community can work on translating it using a ‘follow-the-sun’ type of business model.

When our customers capture their linguistic assets, it makes it easier for them to go global with their products and services. By engaging both their internal subject matter experts and the Lingotek community, and getting them to actively participate in translations, this allows them helps break down the traditional language barriers for their offerings.

What is your outlook for 2010?

The translation market is a $15 billion a year market and there are many opportunities to expand our services to help our customers overcome language barriers for their products and services. Our next phase of growth is to work with these content container partners to create new tools to expand our services to these firms.

Since everyone is interested in SaaS funding and valuations I thought it would be helpful to tell you about an interesting Cloud Computing investor panel I attended at the recent All About the Cloud conference in SF. The session was moderated by Jason Green from Emergence Capital Partners and was joined by Gary Hromadko from Crosslink Capital, Mark McNay from William Blair and Evangelos Simoudis from Trident Capital.

So what did they have to say?

The market has finally changed for the better

2009 was all about survival and the venture community did less than half the investments than in a typical year.

This year is now about growing again and current investments are more focused on companies that have weathered the economic downturn. Their investments are focused on changing the slope of these types of company’s growth curves, by concentrating more on sales and marketing.

SaaS and Cloud companies are leading the way

Consumers have been driving the adoption of easier to use Cloud-based solutions like eBay, iTunes, Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn. They are viral and can reach critical mass very quickly because there are low barriers to adoption.

With SaaS, the recession has really pushed the advantages of a subscription business model and moving from CapEx to OpEx software investments. It’s like leasing your car rather than buying it.

Lean start-ups are definitely in. Almost all early stage software investments in 2009-10 are Cloud-based because it takes a fair amount of capital to fund SaaS firms and it takes a long time for them to reach profitability. One interesting comment was that later stage on-premise companies are now being asked about what their SaaS/Cloud strategy is for the future, because without it, they may find funding might be difficult.

What the VC’s are looking for

SaaS 1.0 focused on a company’s income statement, expenses and cash flows than GAAP reported financials. One important measurement is a company’s incremental contribution margins (gross margins), which is critical for SaaS. Companies needed to balance capital efficiency with building a business that can scale.

Investors are looking for unique business processes that can only be built or automated through SaaS or the Cloud. Emergence latest investments are pure Cloud-based companies that have viral qualities like YouSendit, the files sharing company and Yammer and the enterprise micro-blogging firm, both of these companies are viral enterprise solutions. Yammer has more than 70,000 customers with at least 1 user and is signing up between 7-10,000 users a month and 10% are turning into paying customers. Crosslink invested in Carbonite, a backup and recovery company, has high margins and is the only other independent player in the category with Mozy, who is owned by EMC. They felt that scarcity of competitors and their ability to manage Customer Acquisition Costs were important in establishing the company’s value.

The panelists also said they are looking for companies that have a rigorous focus on metrics like Customer Lifetime Value and Customer Acquisition Costs. In fact CAC appears to drive business value because it has a lot to do with capital efficiency and the company’s ability to grow their business.

Exits, IPO’s and Valuations

Economy has recovered and CEO’s are ready to start taking on more risk, and it’s a real change in psychology because we are at the beginning of a macro trend that will last more than 10 years.

This is evident by more than 100 M&A transactions last quarter including high profile deals like IBM buying CastIron, Salesforce buying Jigsaw for $142M, Successfactors buying CubeTree for $50M. The current environment is right for deals, especially as SaaS is gaining enterprise momentum with recent deals like SuccessFactors’ mega deal with Walmart for 1.6M users. Transactions like Jigsaw, CubeTree, and CA’s purchase of 3Tera and Nimsoft for $350M all indicate a return to a healthy M&A atmosphere, that will probably last for the next 12-18 months.

Oracle and SAP won’t be aggressive on the M&A front until they come to the realization that they can’t build Cloud solutions internally. Because many SaaS companies have now crossed the $25-30M in recurring revenues threshold, these firms may become quite attractive to these larger ISV’s looking to make the move to the SaaS business model.

But these acquirers don’t want to take on the burn associated with many start-ups so it will be important to stay close to breakeven and you may have to sacrifice growth for profitability. Since the access to capital is still tight, start-ups will have to try and collect cash upfront and continue to tune their business models to improve cash flows.

Companies that seem to own a category have perceived scarcity value which will result in a premium on any transaction, especially if they are perceived to own a segment franchise. VC’s and acquirers are looking for a minimum of 40% CAGR to get a premium valuation.

On the other side of the liquidity front, the IPO window for SaaS companies is beginning to open up and firms like SolarWinds and LogMeIn have now been joined by SPS Commerce and Convio. At least before the recent stock market downturn, these companies had traded up by 15% since their IPOs.

The panel seemed to believe that the market is definitely getting better and that is good news for SaaS and Cloud Computing companies looking for funding or an exit!

There were a number of keynotes at last week’s All About the Cloud conference that focused on Public and Private Clouds and the market. What was interesting is that the typical hype associated with Cloud Computing appears to be calming down. It seems like it is no longer necessary to justify or explain the Cloud, or at least for the audience at that conference. According to Gartner the Cloud Computing market will be $150B in IT spend by 2013 as compared to $56B in 2009 and is the #1 Strategic Technology for CIO’s in 2010

The new Cloud attitude appears to be more about ‘when’ and ‘how’ enterprises will be utilizing Cloud solutions rather than ‘if’.

Coexistence is ‘In’

The other interesting change, which I first noticed at the end of last year at both OracleWorld and Dreamforce, was that everyone seemed to be talking about co-existence or hybrid uses of the Cloud with on-premise assets. This more reasoned approach is going to make more sense to CIO’s and business executives to who have spend millions building out their infrastructure over the past 10 years. Cloud can be complimentary. Starting with fringe or edge applications and then over time becoming more useful for mission critical functions.

The Consumer Cloud

Tuesday’s press panel with [insert names] focused mostly on the use of the Cloud for consumer applications like Facebook, Google, Amazon, eBay and future offerings like iTunes LIVE and Microsoft Office 2010 (launched on May 12th). Cloud is everywhere but the average consumer doesn’t even know they are in the Cloud. With the advent of ubiquitous broadband access, smart devices and massive data centers, there are all sorts of Cloud based consumer services emerging. But the market is still evolving because the Generation X’ers are plugged into the Cloud but as Kevin O’Brien from Oracle said in his session, ‘My mom still doesn’t know what the Cloud is’, and she is probably isn’t alone.

Private Clouds

There were many sessions that discussed how there is money to be made in the Private Cloud market. You can have many of the advantages of the Public Cloud without the security and control issues. IDC projects that by 2014, $11.8B will be spend on servers to create Private Clouds, considering overall IT spend in the US is approximately $1T, that’s not big percentage today, but it will be in the future.

Scared of the Cloud

Are CIO’s scared of the Cloud because of their potential for loss of control, security issues and resource impacts? Several sessions touched on this aspect of the Cloud Computing market including CIO’s creating hurdles to adoption.

Given the cost and scalability advantages why wouldn’t organizations like the State of California quickly adopt Cloud based solutions? What about the switching costs like decommissioning your own data centers, software and restructuring personnel. If you already own PeopleSoft and it is working, will you really be open to a Workday ‘rip and replace’ scenario? Enterprise organizations are warming up to the idea, just ask Flextronics.

One panelist cited a recent Google Docs deal that went sideways at UC Davis where they scrapped their trial for several thousand users. Maybe there were other considerations than the Cloud but most of the sessions agreed that the benefits of the Cloud outweigh the risks and CIO’s are starting to think in terms of intelligent trade-offs instead of just being against the Cloud. This is probably smart, given the recent economic conditions and every CEO is looking to optimize their IT spend.

Cloud 2010 and Beyond

Cloud is just the new thing. According to Bill McNee at Saugatuck Technologies, their most recent Cloud Computing survey indicated that 86% of the respondents thought that the Cloud would be part of mainstream IT by 2014.

There appears to be reasonable optimism that Cloud Computing is not a fad and its going to happen, it’s just going to be the way people are operating today in the future. The Google Docs business is adding 3,000 new companies a day, that doesn’t seem like a fad. According to Gartner, their Hype Curve for Cloud Computing showed that July 2009 was the peak and it really appears that the market is maturing about the Cloud.

Venture Capital firms are only funding Cloud-based start-ups and large technology companies like Cisco, CA and IBM are buying SaaS and Cloud based companies (like CastIron Systems) because they realize they need to overcome the ‘Innovators Dilemma’ around the Cloud. There will be an increase in successful SaaS and Cloud companies as the market continues to mature, as well as a lot more M&A activity.

As one speaker so aptly described the current market situation for many companies when evaluating Cloud Computing, ‘When a piano falling from the sky, you should be worried more about will it hit you not where it is while it is falling.’

Crazy like a fox.

With the economy in such tough shape, with customers on the sidelines with no budget to buy software, maybe now is the perfect time to embrace a Freemium software strategy.  This concept was originally proposed by a venture captialist named Fred Wilson, the founder of Union Square Ventures.

This became really clear to me over the past 6 months that this trend towards free software might be the future.   Initially I read a great article entitled Free! is the Future in Wired magazine (make sure you watch the Chris Anderson video), which I thought presented a very clear argument for free.

Think of all of the free software and services business models that went bust during the Internet Boom.  But then again there have been many businesses that were built using a free business model including Google, Yahoo!, Skype, eBay, and Craigslist just to name a few.  Some of the new kids on the freemium block include Facebook, LinkedIn, SimplyHired, Kijiji, 37signals and many of the open source software players.

My second realization of the power of free was using 37signals BaseCamp project management product.  It was a great example of providing a free product that you liked so much that you had to buy into their paid  version.  If you need a project management tool, this one is worth a subscription and you may end up pulling out your credit card like me.

Then my third reason why I thought freemium could really be the future of software is based on working with a great company, MrTed, who makes Applicant Tracking or ATS software for large companies.  MrTed just recently launched their new Small and Medium business freemium offering, SmartRecruiters, which is an Open SaaS product, which is a mashup of Open Source and SaaS business concepts.  This Open SaaS model was developed by Jerome Ternynck MrTed’s CEO and founder. SmartRecruiters like many other freemium offerings is based on the development of a strong and passionate user community, who ultimately become the revenue engine for these companies. SmartRecruiters will monetize their business model by offering a collection of value-added services that are bundled with their free software.

As companies look at their 2009 business strategies, they need to balance gaining marketshare while keeping customer acquisition costs (CAC) as low as possible.  By deploying a freemium software strategy now you might be considered crazy in 2009 but be laughing all the way in the not too distant future.