By Kevin Dobbs
Montclair Advisors, LLC
Now that many software companies really feel that the risks associated with a second recession are firmly in the rearview mirror, it now seems like everyone is looking to grow their businesses.
I read a great post yesterday by Bruce Cleveland at InterWest Ventures about the Value of Growth for SaaS Companies, which I thought really accurately captured a challenge that many software firms face when transitioning to a SaaS model. This is a subject that is near and dear to me given my background as a reformed marketing executive and someone who was responsible lead generation at Oracle years ago during the Tom Siebel and Marc Benioff era. I think it was Tom Siebel when he was running Oracle’s inside sales team that told me “I want it to rain leads from the sky!” At the time I was actually shocked because he was asking me to literally drown his sales team with qualified opportunities who wanted to buy Oracle’s database products.
As I have come to learn that he knew exactly what he was talking about and his track record demonstrates that productive sales teams deliver amazing revenue growth results. Bruce’s post highlights that a SaaS company without meaningful growth is not worth very much and probably will fetch the low-end of the valuation curve, which is still pretty good in today’s crazy market (See last week’s post about the SaaS Bubble). So how are high flying SaaS companies like Salesforce and SuccessFactors achieving CAGR’s in excess of 30% every year? Check out this chart I put together on some of the leading publicly traded SaaS firms (sans Salesforce because they will skew the chart):
As you can see the companies with the higher growth rates are also the ones that have high market caps (valued more highly by Wall Street). What is really interesting is that SuccessFactors was able to grow by almost 50% for the past three years, even through one of the worst recessions in the last 100 years. The value of growth can also been seen by a company that recently went public, Cornerstone OnDemand, they have been rewarded with a market cap that is over $800M even though the company lost more than $40M last year. Seems crazy right? But they have a great organic growth story along with a major channel relationship with ADP which could also signal even faster growth in the future.
If you talk to any software sales rep they often complain about their pipeline and the lack of quality leads. Reminds me of those coveted Glengarry leads from Mitch and Murray downtown. So at the heart of all of these companies and their rapid growth rates is that they have all developed a core competency to generate high quality leads and build pipelines quickly.
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Here are some tricks that I have learned along the way that will help you to build out your SaaS lead generation strategies:
With Cornerstone OnDemand’s recent IPO (NASDAQ: CSOD) and their high valuation based on a negative EBIDTA, many are starting to ask if we are headed for a second Internet or SaaS Bubble?
I do agree that some of the valuations at this point are a lot higher than a reasonable person would expect, but this is probably just pent up interest in the technology sector. It doesn’t help that Facebook and LinkedIn has seriously pumped up the valuations for Internet/Social Media firms, but today’s SaaS companies are very different from the Dot Bombs of 1999/2000.
Remember these companies?
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Company |
Business |
Market Cap (000’s) |
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On-line Groceries |
$1,200 |
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On-line Pet Supplies |
$ 325 |
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Marketing |
$5,400 |
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Delivery Services |
Private |
All of these companies were built on bad business models, too much money and expectations that were out of control. And by the way are all out of business.
But not all of the Internet companies that were formed during this period were bombs; in fact there are a number of firms that are now pillars of the technology industry including these firms:
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Company |
Founded |
Business |
Ticker |
Market Cap (000’s) |
|
1994 |
eCommerce |
$76,380 |
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1996 |
eProcurment |
$ 3,140 |
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1995 |
eCommerce |
$39,370 |
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1995 |
Communications |
$ 1,340 |
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1997 |
eCommerce |
$23,790 |
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1996 |
Health Content |
$ 3,150 |
It would be safe to say that each of these companies struggled during and after the Dot-Com collapse but they were able to modify their models to take advantage of the efficiencies that the Internet provided. Amazon has built a business that can effectively compete against the largest retailer in the world, Walmart, even though its sales are only 1/12th their revenues.
All of these Internet Survivors had to develop a real business model that would deliver solid margins, profits and growth. They each had to assemble experienced management teams, learn how to deliver superior customer service and build trusted brands. Not easy to do, but they did it.
Fast-forward to today and we have a whole new set of Internet and Software-as-a-Service companies that have emerged and gone public including these firms:
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Company |
Founded |
Business |
Ticker |
Market Cap (000’s) |
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1997 |
$ 1,560 |
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1997 |
Education |
$ 1,280 |
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1993 |
Travel & Expense |
$ 2,960 |
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1999 |
Talent Mgmt |
$ 855 |
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1995 |
Marketing |
$ 1,000 |
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1998 |
Search, PaaS |
$187,000 |
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1987 |
Talent Mgmt |
$ 622 |
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1998 |
ERP |
$ 1,880 |
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1997 |
CRM |
$ 1,030 |
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1999 |
CRM, PaaS |
$16,930 |
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Servicesource (2) |
1999 |
Service Mgmt |
$ 774 |
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2001 |
Talent Mgmt |
$ 2,990 |
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1996 |
Talent Mgmt |
$ 1,430 |
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1990 |
Payroll |
$ 1,490 |
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1992 |
Marketing |
$ 478 |
As you can see most of these companies were founded before the Internet Bubble burst and were forced to create real business models that could deliver profits.
At Montclair Advisors, we specialize in SaaS business advisory services and we know many of these firms quite well and they all have strong management teams, growing businesses and staying power. Unlike the Internet firms that went IPO in 1999 or 2000, most of these firms have had to build up their businesses over ten or more years and are based on some form of recurring revenues.
Major differences between the companies on this list versus the early Dot Bomb firms include:
So are the valuations of companies like Cornerstone OnDemand and Servicesource, Facebook and LinkedIn too high? Are we beginning to see a SaaS Bubble? Maybe, but all of these companies have been built for the long term and will be around long after any correction, unlike their early Internet cousins Web Van or Kozmo.com.
By Kevin Dobbs
The last few months have been quite active in the SaaS market and here are some things that caught my attention:
Who would have believed that we would be seeing Initial Public Offerings after our recent recession but new offerings include SciQuest (NASDAQ: SQI), Qlik Technologies (NASDAQ: QLIK), Ancestory.com (NASDAQ: ACOM) and Financial Engines (NASDAQ: FNGN). There are a number of upcoming IPO’s including Talent Management provider Cornerstone OnDemand.
Seems like we were just here a few months ago but a lot of things have happened since the last Oracle OpenWorld in 2009.
It was great to see a full house of exhibitors that consumed most of the Moscone center in San Francisco. Walking through the two completely full tradeshow floors, which indicates some degree of growth in the broader technology market, especially after I saw a number of mega-booths with a lot of promotional events.
Fusion Applications
I didn’t see the Sunday keynote with Larry Ellison, but I heard multiple times that he announced everything at that session. It appeared that area that SaaS followers were keenly interested in learning more about was Fusion and as one analyst mentioned to me it, ‘Larry mentioned a couple of the new Fusion Apps and then went Yada Yada Yada for the rest of them.’ His opinion was the anytime you Yada Yada anything that means you are not taking it seriously. Well maybe.
It sounds like Oracle is taking Fusion serious, having invested close to $4B in R&D during 2010 alone, in order to be ready to launch these next generation apps. Oracle is offering 100 modules and over 7 different product families including Financials, Procurement, Sourcing, Project and Portfolio Management, HCM, CRM and SCM. We will see over the next few days if there is real detail and deliverables around all of this investment in Fusion or just more Yada Yada.
If Oracle plays this correctly, they will be able to cash in on the buying public’s shift to OPEX spending rather than traditional capital spending on software, which is no longer in vogue. Fusion applications could be a viable alternative to smaller more risky best-of-breed application alternatives, but they need to be both pure-SaaS and functionally complete. We will know over next few days.
Riding Hurd
I personally think that Oracle’s hiring of Mark Hurd was a true master stroke, and a major mistake on the part of HP for letting him go. Mark kicked off the Monday keynote session and he looked like he had worked at Oracle for years, brimming with confidence and very comfortable. It is also clear that having someone with his knowledge of the hardware world at the helm, is a major advantage, with all of the Sun technology now firmly part of the Oracle ‘Full Stack’ offerings.
We saw a fully buzzword set of presentations this morning; OLTP, Petabyte, threads, cores, and ZFS to name a few. Speeds and feeds were the name of the game and Mark Hurd and John Fowler discussed the new Exadata 2 and Exalogic products. Oracle loves fast products and breaking records, so owning the entire technology stack is going to be fun for Larry. It is interesting that all of these really fast “Full Stack” products will be huge advances and will definitely improve the performance and scalability of future Cloud Computing services, offered by Oracle and others.
M&A in the Air
There have been a number of deals in the technology space over the past 30 days including HP purchasing both 3PAR and ArcSight for close to $4B. In the HCM space there have been a very rapid spat of deals including one announced between SumTotal Systems purchasing Softscape, Taleo purchasing Learn.com, Kenexa buys Salary.com and Stepstone picks up MrTed. One has to wonder if there won’t be a big announcement at Larry’s Wednesday afternoon keynote. I have heard that Oracle might buy Netsuite, which is interesting considering that Larrry already owns about 65% of the company. Considering Salesforce.com is speaking and exhibiting here at OpenWorld that might be sort of embarassing to everyone concerned. It might also not be a ringing endorsement of Fusion either, but we will wait and have to see what happens.
More from OpenWorld tomorrow.
By Kevin Dobbs
Montclair Advisors, LLC
According to Gartner, the Software-as-a-Service market is forecast to have a 15.3% compound annual growth rate through 2014 for the enterprise application markets, compared with total application market CAGR of 5.3%. It is this type of growth and adoption that is causing many traditional ISV’s to seriously consider transitioning their business models to SaaS.
A new SaaS start-up takes about 5 years to break even and most venture capitalists are looking at 7 years before the company could possibly go public. On average most successful SaaS firms take about $35M in investment before they can reach an IPO stage, so you should be prepared to invest in your SaaS transition as you shift from a perpetual model to a subscription model.
Last week I participated in the annual Kenexa Analyst meeting in really hot Philadelphia. I had profiled Kenexa last year (July 2009) about their rebranding and active transition to SaaS, so this was a great opportunity to peak behind the curtain and see how they are doing.
Company Update
The last 18 months have been difficult for many software firms, especially those who are moving to a subscription based business model but Kenexa seems to have been doing well during this period:
Some new customers in 2010 include Accenture, Aetna, Facebook, Novo Nordisk, Saudi Aramco, SAP, Walmart (with 2M employees) and Whirlpool. Customers who bought additional products from Kenexa this year include Conagra, Deloitte, General Dynamics, Johnson & Johnson, Unilever and Volvo.
Even with this solid progress, Kenexa was still finding it hard to compete for mindshare against their two other SaaS talent management competitors SuccessFactors and Taleo. I was also told that Kenexa is also considered a very solid competitor in the Recruitment Process Outsourcing (RPO) market, but my focus for this profile is on SaaS. Let’s take a quick look at this SaaS TM market basket:
The stock market currently values SuccessFactors more than 5X and Taleo more than 3.5X than Kenexa. Why is that? Because transitioning to SaaS is difficult, especially when you are a public company. But they are making progress.
SaaS Transition
Kenexa has done more than 20 acquisitions of both technology and services companies over their history. They have also purchased many overlapping technologies in recruiting (e.g. Webhire and BrassRing), which usually causes concern and confusion among customers. Unlike Taleo, who acquired Vurv, Kenexa is offering their customers business and product choices including transitioning to their latest products on the 2X platform as well as staying put. Rudy Karsan, Kenexa’s Chairman and CEO, even said for some customers who really want to stay on old, decommissioned products, his company will work out an arrangement to give the customers a copy of the source code and they can maintain their own products. Not the easiest solution but it shows that Kenexa is trying to work with their customers to help them be successful, which is unique among the leading talent management providers.
The company has been quietly working on building out their next generation integrated talent management platform, Kenexa 2X, for the last few years. This project included investing $40M in R&D, building out a new technology center in India and creating their next generation multi-tenant SaaS platform. This type of project is very difficult to successfully manage and similar next generation technology projects have sunk other companies like Authoria and SAP has invested almost $1B in Business ByDesign. All Kenexa 2X applications are SaaS-based and delivered out of their two data centers, one in North America and the other in Ireland.
We saw a brief demonstration of some of their new mobile capabilities on Kenexa 2X, but the real test is not with a room full of analysts but how well these new solutions are accepted in the market by customers and prospects.
As Rudy said during the meeting, he has felt like the last 10 quarters they have been walking through the desert but now they feel like they are coming out the other side.
For those of us on the outside, the technology is just one part of Kenexa’s business; they also offer a robust RPO service as well as a variety of assessment and analytical services for their customers.
Progress and Promise
As I just mentioned the major milestone for Kenexa is that their new 2X platform is generally available in the market. Like all big projects this platform transformation will take several years to rollout across their entire suite of technology products but they now have something to rally around. The 2X Recruit and 2X Onboarding products were launched in Q1 and the balance of the products will be rolled out over the next 24-36 months. Kenexa is following an Agile development process for their SaaS platform and applications which will allow for faster releases of products and capabilities.
Because this is a big initiative, I think it was really positive to see a roadmap prioritization of the products that were being transformed and launched. The product priority seems clear: recruiting, onboarding, training and development, succession, workforce planning, performance and compensation and learning. As they Kenexa progresses with the 2X transformation, we can expect to see small functional bundles as products are made available and then at some point out in the future, their full talent management suite.
There are some new platform capabilities that will add value to their traditional applications, including mobility. We were able to see the new mobile applications they are launching for the Blackberry and iPhone around recruiting, onboarding and performance management transactions. These mobile apps appeared to be simple to use and are based on basic approvals and routing, which make a lot of sense for busy managers and executives. The Kenexa 2X platform also supports complex workflows, like those required for their new onboarding application as well as support for 37 languages.
Kenexa also discussed the growing market opportunities for their recruiting and talent solutions outside of the US. In fact, their China business alone has grown by 4x in the last 5 quarters. They have also seen solid growth in the Middle East, Latin America and India. This strategy of focusing not only on the US but also new high growth markets should help Kenexa to continue to grow at a brisk pace.
The last area and possibly the most interesting has little to do with Kenexa’s technology products. Kenexa has several other service businesses, which are also growing including their RPO and Assessment practices. In the book ‘Crossing the Chasm’, one of Geoffrey Moore’s key tenants was for technology providers to listen to customer requirements and deliver a ‘whole product’ that doesn’t just consist of technology but contains services, integration, data, content and whatever else the customer needs to solve their business problems. The technology provider who can deliver a whole product solution can easily differentiate themselves from other providers and deliver more value to their customers, making their solutions ‘sticky’. If you need an example of delivering a whole product, look to Apple and the iPhone and iTunes.
Maybe by focusing on delivering complete, whole product solutions, Kenexa can become the Apple Computer of global recruiting and talent management.
After our post on January 26th we got several great comments about the cost of starting a SaaS company. It definitely takes a commitment to build a true SaaS company, especially when you consider some the following facts about the 15 public companies that I tracked in my high level analysis:
The costs of getting a SaaS start-up off the ground are substantial but only about half of the firms we tracked actually started out as a pure SaaS company. These other Cross-Over firms started out as either Application Service Providers (ASP’s) or were traditional On-premise ISV’s that move to SaaS through a combination of organic migration or through a series of acquisitions. Companies like Concur, Kenexa, Taleo and Ultimate Software have all transitioned to SaaS from an on-premise heritage.
The shortest time to go from start-up phase to an IPO was 4 years and the longest was 13 years. Most of the firms we tracked were founded between 1997 to 1999, which was prior and during the Internet Bubble.
When these firms went public they raised a range between $30M (LivePerson and Ultimate Software) to over $150M (DealerTrack and NetSuite), but on average they raised about $75M. All the firms then went on to do additional capital raises from $32M (LivePerson) up to $750M (DealerTrack) but on average each raised $243M! The total capital raised, when considering both pre IPO, IPO and post IPO capital raised, these firms raised between $100M (LivePerson and Ultimate Software) to close to more than $500M (DealerTrack, Salesforce.com and SuccessFactors).
After going public, this SaaS market basket of companies have done well as a group. The majority of the firms are profitable, which makes for solid cash flow performance, revenue visibility and overall stability of the company’s stock, for the real SaaS firms.
The most valuable company, based on their Market Cap is Salesforce.com at more than $8B and there are at least 4 other SaaS firms with valuations over $1B (Blackboard, Concur, NetSuite and SuccessFactors). When comparing the amount of capital raised to the market valuation, the 5 best performing firms are Salesforce.com (.09), Ultimate Software (.13) , Concur (.19), RightNow (.22) and LivePerson (.31).
This year, as the economy improves, promises to launch a few new SaaS IPOs and we will continue to track this core group as well as a larger group of Hybrids and Cross Overs and will periodically report back with our findings.
When speaking with entrepreneurs and investors about the investment required to start up a new Software-as-a-Service company, I often refer back to this list. At Montclair Advisors thought this would be a handy reference for those looking to start a SaaS company during 2010.
Looks like you might need a money tree to start a SaaS company, but for those that reach critical mass and go public, there is a tremendous payback. This is information has been gathered from various sources including Wachovia, CrunchBase and Google Finance.
| Company | Investment | Current Market Cap | Ticker Symbol |
| (in 000’s) | (in 000’s) | ||
| Blackboard | $100.7M | $1,300M | BBBB |
| Concur | $30.2M | $2,100M | CNQR |
| Constant Contact | $37.3M | $527M | CTCT |
| DealerTrack | $48.0M | $774M | TRAK |
| Kenexa | $54.5M | $256M | KNXA |
| LivePerson | $41.6M | $335M | LPSN |
| LogMeIn | $20.0M | $448M | LOGM |
| NetSuite | $84.9M | $1,000M | N |
| RightNow | $32.2M | $553M | RNOW |
| Salary.com | $5.7M | $40M | SLRY |
| Salesforce.com | $64.5M | $8,500M | CRM |
| SuccessFactors | $54.5M | $1,100M | SFSF |
| Taleo | $36.9M | $891M | TLEO |
| Ultimate Software | $25.1M | $755M | ULTI |
| Vocus | $26.4M | $345M | VOCS |
Happy New Year!
In February Montclair Advisors launched our SaaS Business Profile Series and have been focused on covering as many SaaS companies as possible during 2009. As it turns out we were able to profile more than 30 SaaS companies of all types including pure SaaS firms, Cross-Overs and Hybrids!
We would like to thank all of the executives and companies that participated during 2009 and we look forward to continuing to follow their progress during 2010.
What we learned from these thirty-four profiles:
Here is an overview of the thirty-four companies Montclair Advisors covered in 2009:
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Financial |
Human Capital |
CRM + |
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Kenexa (KNXA) |
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Intuit (INTU) |
RightNow (RNOW) |
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Mint.com (Acquired by Intuit) |
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SuccessFactors (SFSF) |
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Taleo (TLEO) |
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Collaboration |
Infrastructure |
Other |
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i365 – Seagate (STX) |
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QuickArrow (Acquired by Netsuite) |
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Profiles by SaaS Category
Pure SaaS: 15 Started out and only offer SaaS subscription services
Cross-Overs: 11 Started out as on-premise, but have fully transitioned to SaaS
Hybrids: 8 Continue to offer SaaS services AND on-premise software
Public vs. Private
Public: 6
Private: 28
Profiles by Age of Company
0-5 Years: 9
5-8 Years: 10
8+ Years: 15
M&A by Companies
Sell-side: 2 Mint.com by Intuit for $170M and QuickArrow by NetSuite for $20M
Buy-side: 4 Lithium Technologies (Keibi Technologies), RightNow (HiveLive), Taleo
(Worldwide Comp), Xactly (Centive)
Fundraising Public & Private
What was also interesting to see is that even in the toughest economic climate since the Dot Com meltdown, that many firms that were profiled were able to raise capital in both the private and public market places. The big winners were SuccessFactors who raised more than $200M in a public offering and Workday, raised an impressive $75M private round that was led by New Enterprise Associates. As the economy begins to turn in 2010, expect to see more SaaS firms going back out to raise growth capital.
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Public |
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Amount Raised |
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SuccessFactors (SFSF) |
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Taleo (TLEO) |
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Private |
Lead Investor(s) |
Amount Raised |
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Bill.com |
August Capital, Emergence |
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Genius.com |
Deep Fork Capital |
|
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Host Analytics |
StarVest |
$8.6M |
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InsideView |
Emergence and Rembrandt |
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Jive Software |
Sequoia Capital |
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Lithium Technologies |
|
$18M |
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M-Factor |
Bay Partners |
$10M |
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OpSource |
NTT |
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Workday |
NEA |
We hope these profiles have been helpful to our readers and we will continue to profile interesting SaaS firms in 2010, because we learn a lot about our emerging industry and we will continue to build back into the Montclair Advisors advisory services that help our clients become successful SaaS companies.
Please let us know what you think, because we would welcome any ideas on how to improve the Saas Business Profile Series for 2010. Just drop me an email at kevin@montclairadvisors.com.